Jorick and Oren's so-called plans revolved around what to do with Zander if he showed up. Oren wanted to take him with them "He's nearly an ancient!" but Jorick was hesitant.

"He may be old, but his own coven said he's been coddled. Can he fight?"

"You could read his mind?" Katelina suggested.

Jorick shook his head. "He and his brothers have a natural shield. I might be able to get past it, but he'd know. I don't think he'd appreciate it."

Oren sighed. ...